Imponderable #60: Ontario

31 Aug

August 31, 2012

Ah yes, this is the famous Canadian health care system we Americans hear so much about. Seriously Ontario, “experimental day”? Who wants to go to the hospital for a procedure, and a scary one to boot, and find out that the hospital has decided that they would be guinea pigs for some crazy medical tests? This is how people end up dead. Hey Canada- this is stupid.

How can a hospital play bait-and-switch with their elderly patient’s anesthesia?

The question is Imponderable.

16 Responses to “Imponderable #60: Ontario”

  1. Mac of BIOnighT August 31, 2012 at 12:16 am #

    There are worse places – in Italian hospitals every day is an experimental day…


  2. Mac of BIOnighT August 31, 2012 at 12:25 am #

    Not the same kind of experiment, though… here the experiment usually consists in finding out how many diseases and infections you can catch after an operation or treatment and how worse they are than the disease you had before the operation.
    The experiment is normally successful.


    • bmj2k August 31, 2012 at 1:06 am #

      It isn’t any different here, Mac. I speak from personal experience.


  3. Thomas Stazyk August 31, 2012 at 1:07 am #

    Classic line: “Experimental day to find out how unsedated patients respond.” DUH!


  4. zathra August 31, 2012 at 4:46 am #

    Canada’s superior health – care system.:)
    Sounds more like the film ” Awake “, which was based on documented cases of patients having surgery – including cardio – vascular surgery – while incompletely sedated & aware of the surgery they were undergoing.


    • J.R.D. Skinner August 31, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

      Reminds me of the infamous scene from Un Chien Andalou.

      From what I’ve read this apparently had nothing to do with OHIP, and everything to do with an individual oddball doctor/”a lack of clear communication.”


      • bmj2k August 31, 2012 at 10:16 pm #

        Yes, but the problem sprang from the OHIP cutting the fees for anesthesiologists (if the article is correct on that fact). That was what led, however oddly, to the experimental day.


  5. zathra August 31, 2012 at 4:57 am #

    Sounds like the experience of many people who were incompletely / insufficiently sedated & aware of their surgery in other countries ( re.: the movie ” Awake ” about a man undergoing a heart transplant & being conscious during the procedure ), except this was done on purpose. NONE of the patients were aware that they were going under the knife without sedation ? So much for Canada’s ” superior health care system “. I have a Canadian acquaintance, & I wonder if she knows about ” experimental day “…..


  6. Jimbo August 31, 2012 at 6:37 am #

    Pretty sure next week in Ontario is Dentists’ experiment day – after all, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth…


    • bmj2k August 31, 2012 at 6:46 am #

      Ha, nice. Everyone in Ontario end up like the anicent Greek Stygian Witches, sharing one eye and one tooth.


    • zathra August 31, 2012 at 6:48 am #

      ” Let’s do a lobotomy. Dr., he’s in for a tonsilectomy with local anesthesia. “. ” Awwww…… Tonsilectomies are no fun. I’m bored ! 😉 “


      • bmj2k August 31, 2012 at 6:56 am #

        “Just for a change of pace, let’s see what happens when I transplant this kitten’s liver in place of his lung.”


        • zathra August 31, 2012 at 7:04 am #

          Let’s see if he complains about dermatitis after we start grafting reptile skin onto him. Ugh.


  7. Nicole Chardenet August 31, 2012 at 8:44 pm #

    What a ridiculous conclusion. Yes, that happened and it shouldn’t have, but it’s hardly an indictment of the Canadian healthcare system, which is far superior to the American one in my opinion, and I speak as an American who lived with the American system for over forty years and with the Canadian system now for over seven years – and I’ll take my chances with the occasional rogue doctor, thankyouverymuch, because all I have to do is hand over my OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Program) card and almost everything I need is covered under that. On those occasions when I need supplementary care I have my company health insurance (which functions similarly to the American companies, except we don’t spend most of our free time arguing with them over clearly covered procedures they don’t want to pay).

    I know a lot of Americans are ignorant of and have many misconceptions about the Canadian system. It’s not perfect, and the quality is degrading as our Conservative government, like all conservatives hostile to anything that doesn’t make millionaires scads of money, cuts back on OHIP and the other provincial plans. But believe me, there’s a reason why the Republicans fought the “public option” (which the Dems wanted to have as an OPTION) during the Obamacare debates…and that’s because they know damn well if Americans get a taste of what universal healthcare is like, they’ll *all* want it, even the so-called anti-socialism conservatives, and that’ll be the end of big profits for the American healthcare denial agencies.

    As always, I challenge Americans to consider this: What good is it if you can get many different types of healthcare immediately, if you can’t afford to pay for it because you have no healthcare/inadequate healthcare/a “healthcare” company that refused that claim?

    We wait a bit more for some procedures and our emergency room waits are every bit as ridiculously long as American ones (forget Michael Moore and his twenty-minute-wait thing) but at least we can *get* them. Without arguing with HMOs.

    Have a nice weekend, folks.


    • bmj2k August 31, 2012 at 10:11 pm #

      “I’ll take my chances with the occasional rogue doctor, thankyouverymuch,”
      Good luck with that.


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